Re: Ogham in Magic Turtar Dearg bumshanka@adelphia.net Thu Nov 29 22:14:03 2001 i take it you are looking for written ogham, as opposed to the spoken ogham. *p*i am not sure what spoken ogham really *is*. but there are quite a few kennings or conversations where the true conversations seems to lie beneath the surface of what seems to be jargon-speak (Emer and Cu Chulain have one famous one, two sages..whose names illude me, and a few others). then there is Ogma's feats of strength in Tara at the introduction and testing f Lugh. Ogma is sayd not to posess superhuman strength per se, but that his strength is his eloqunce of speech (as seen in the writings of...forget his name too, when he writes of the Gaulish Ogmios, who is sayd not to be like Heracles in brute strength, but more like Hermes in that his words are sharp and swift to pierce the mind). dunno if any of this s "spoken ogham" or not.*p*of other forms of written ogham used in magic, i cannot say. if i do know, it is buried so far in me brainpan, that i cannot dredge it up.*p*slainte*br*Turtar Dearg Ogham in Magic Taliesin2 1001 Wed - Nov 28 - 9:00pm 24.53.97.3