Re: Druidic Ritual Searles Mon Aug 2 23:30:53 1999 DRUIDS' ASSEMBLY CONTINUED*p*<TopazOwl> I must find my bed, folks.*br*<Deborah> night Sis*br*<Deborah> take care*br*<TopazOwl> Oiche mhaith, a chairde.*br*<Searles> Oiche mhaith a chara.*br*<Deborah> see you mannana*br*TopazOwl [topazowl@sA8-p25.dreamscape.com] has left #summerlands*br*<Searles> We'd call it a place to find imbas.*br*<morrigant> OD...I would really like to hear more about the nine ways you mentioned*br*<morrigant> ok...*br*<morrigant> how are each differentiated*br*<Searles> Well the idea of these nine du/ile is that they form as interactions between the worlds*br*<Searles> and a person*br*<morrigant> are they progressive steps overlayered*br*<Searles> They deal with things like foundation, form and boundary*br*<Searles> emotion vitality and intuition*br*<morrigant> how are they taught?*br*<Searles> Image Thought and authority*br*<morrigant> who's authority?*br*<Searles> In a person these might be considered the bones, flesh, skin, blood, breath, mind, face, brain and head*br*<Searles> in the Cosmos they might be the qualities of stone, earth, growth, sea, wind, moon, sun, stars and sky.*br*<Searles> Each would be associated with a deity/deities and they would be taught by telling tales that exemplify each*br*<morrigant> more abstract than "our" nine steps, but interesting, keep going...*br*<Searles> though they would also be taught by experiencing each in its essence.*br*<Searles> They would also follow this pattern:*br*<morrigant> are they taught on this realm?*br*<Searles> Foundation of foundations,*br*<Searles> Foundations of form,*br*<Searles> Foundations of boundaries,*br*<Searles> Existence of foundations*br*<Searles> Existence of existence*br*<Searles> and existence of wisdom*br*<Searles> Wisdom of foundations*br*<Searles> Wisdom of form and wisdom of wisdom*br*<Searles> In a manner, though I could express it better if referencing my notes rather than talking off the top of my head about it :-)*br*<Searles> The lessons are learned in each realm*br*<morrigant> i hear that!*br*<morrigant> :)*br*<Searles> in their own way.*br*<morrigant> same here*br*Brathann [kanga2@host-209-214-62-131.ilm.bellsouth.net] has left #summerlands*br*<Searles> Ritual space must exist in three realms simultaneously to be real*br*<Searles> and it must have the nine interactions that allow us to completely connect to it.*br*<morrigant> our nine steps have somewhat different assignments, but I can see the commonalties*br*<morrigant> our nine steps are seen as a method for personal development in preparation for life led in kinsmanship*br*<Searles> In a three realm cosmology one must have nine ways.*br*<morrigant> yes*br*<Searles> I also like to orient the realms using five parts or what are sometimes called directions though these only have a meaning for the middle world.*br*<morrigant> the Highlanders have associated animal totems with the learning process of the nine steps*br*<Searles> That is something I am missing.*br*<morrigant> I agree with you*br*<Deborah> Kate... can you tell us about the animal totems?*br*<morrigant> these animals are your spiritual guises through the thresholds/layers*br*<morrigant> though, your guide will be more of a ancestral spirit who has associated him/herself with these totemic energies*br*<morrigant> thus the Rites of Hethoran*br*<Deborah> I come from Native American/Shamanic background... I work with animal spirits*br*<morrigant> our first step is based on the call of the blackbird*br*<morrigant> which represents the desire for growth*br*<morrigant> the lesson there is the incesance that one must seek with*br*<morrigant> the blackbird calls one to the threshold*br*<morrigant> the myths clearly speak of one seeking the song of the blackbird in the hours of twilight*br*<morrigant> which is representative of "twilight" the space between the worlds*br*<morrigant> the second step cannot be proceeded with until the first step has been accomplished*br*<Taliesin_2> Gonna go. Niters all...*br*Taliesin_2 [~shane@dup-205-252-8-150.cais.net] has left #summerlands*br*<morrigant> many of the lessons learned within the first step are taught by journeying with your guide*br*<morrigant> I hate the word "guide", using personally "spiritual companion"*br*<Searles> I agree*br*<Searles> friend even*br*<morrigant> though each step is a complete step in itself, it is always retained and overlayered*br*<morrigant> by the following steps...*br*<morrigant> questions/thoughts?*br*<Deborah> no... that sounds very familiar <G>*br*<HawkOfShad> I notice that many Celts have a belief that it's the tween' times that the doors*br*<morrigant> ay, being a Celtic in origin I shouldn't use that word after our last bout! Friend, yes,, lover, Oh, yes!*br*<Deborah> would blackbird be the equivalent of Raven in the Irish/Native American traditions*br*<morrigant> lusting sort they are!*br*<HawkOfShad> between here and fairy open up, it's a dangerous time for the uneducated.*br*<Searles> I teach a voyage of 33 steps on the journey to the Underworld.*br*<morrigant> No, it would not...*br*<Deborah> different spirit then?*br*<morrigant> cool!*br*<Deborah> blackbird isn't one I'm familiar with working with*br*<morrigant> for Deborah:*br*<morrigant> the Raven in our steps represents the introduction to higher Magick and comes later*br*<Deborah> I learned a Creation Myth that they call Circle of Animal Brothers*br*<morrigant> tell us Deb..*br*<Deborah> it's a long telling so I wont do it tonight*br*<Deborah> I think it's on the Animals message board under the archived threads*br*<Deborah> but basically it says*br*<Deborah> that in the beginning...*br*<Deborah> there was grandfather fire*br*<Deborah> and around him sat the circle of animal brothers*br*<Deborah> and they were each telling their tales*br*<Deborah> and from those tellings creation sprung*br*<Deborah> (aka... in the beginning was the word and the word was god and the word was with god...etc) <G>*br*<Deborah> anyway... the two legged (man) got up and left the circle and nobody knew why*br*<Deborah> and after awhile Grandfather sent Owl to look for him*br*<Deborah> and owl is great for seeing things within its hunting field but not for long distance viewing*br*<Deborah> so he came back and said he couldn't find him*br*<Deborah> so grandfather sent his most beautiful creation... Raven*br*<Deborah> who was made of silver*br*<Deborah> and Raven flew and flew and flew and found man in a strange land of death that he called life*br*<Deborah> and he called to man, but man could no longer speak the language of spirit*br*<Deborah> and Raven picked up a bit of emotion which man had that is what kept him in this land of death and brought it back to Grandfather*br*<Deborah> but emotion was very sticky and as he flew back through the void*br*<Deborah> the color of the void clung to the emotion and spread over his beak and head and wings and tail until he was the color of the void and covered with the emotion*br*<Deborah> and when he brought the emotion back to the circle it was passed around and soon everybody had sampled the emotion*br*<Deborah> and their stories began to change... and they began to argue*br*<Deborah> Grandfather saw that this was not good and sent his Finest Son, Eagle brother to find the Two legged and bring him back... whatever the price.*br*<Deborah> and Eagle brother flew and in an instant was in the other land*br*<Deborah> and as his feet touched down he changed into a man and became Eagle Brother/First Shaman*br*<Deborah> and it is his job to lead man back to the Circle of Creation with Grandfather Fire and his Brothers the Animals.*br*<Deborah> Raven is the path of Emotion that leads to the reconnection with Deity*br*<Deborah> end.*br*<morrigant> the Scots use 'Heth" fire as the basis of their creation myth also, however man has never seen as a separate or negative force, *br*<Deborah> aren't you glad I did the 'short version' <G>*br*<morrigant> yes! but we enjoyed*br*<morrigant> :)*br*<HawkOfShad> (Reader's Digest would be proud (g))*br*<Deborah> not negative... but separated by his own choice*br*<Deborah> and in need of reconnection*br*<Searles> Hethoran sound a lot like Ethor the Son of the Hazel.*br*<HawkOfShad> Deb, you studied with the Yute (sp?) right? Morr, I know you are part N.A., but I forget the tribal affiliations*br*<morrigant> the whole purpose of the Scots rites of hethoran is to establish his place within the world through bonds of kinsmanship*br*<Deborah> I studied with a man who was accepted into the Ute tribe whose mentor was San Pueblo Indian, but whose bloodline was Mongolian/White (talk about a hodgepodge)*br*<morrigant> NA?*br*<HawkOfShad> (get out the scorecard to keep them straight! (whew!))*br*<Deborah> and since we found out that he was not an honorable man (unfortunately) I don't do the rituals that he taught me anymore because I don't want that connection*br*<HawkOfShad> NA (Native American, short for Indian)*br*<Deborah> which is a shame, because I think what he taught was very good in many ways*br*<morrigant> Shoshonis*br*<morrigant> but do not practice*br*<HawkOfShad> Some evening a discussion on similarities between tribal cultures around the world might be interesting*br*<morrigant> yup*br*<DebbieG> Folks, this has been fascinating, but I'm off to bed. See y'all tomorrow for pub night?*br*<HawkOfShad> Night Deb, good seeing you again!*br*<Deborah> night y'all*br*<Searles> The name hethoran seems unusual to me because Gaelic makes little use of the letter "h."*br*<DebbieG> G'night, Dennis... G'night, Deb.*br*<Deborah> see you mananna*br*<Searles> Night DebG*br*DebbieG [DebbieG@ip134.monroe2.la.pub-ip.psi.net] has quit IRC (reality.sys is corrupt... reboot universe?)*br*<morrigant> Searles, I want you to know I have really enjoyed the conversation tonight, and have enjoyed playing the devil's advocate with you...sometimes people pay more attention to a heated debate than casual conversation :)~*br*<Deborah> yeah... I'm about to turn into a pumpkin too <G>*br*<Searles> Well the night did have some redeeming qualities but I hope that the future holds many more.*br*<HawkOfShad> Not to mention you rarely run into people that will stand toe to toe with you (g)*br*<Deborah> night y'all*br*Deborah [Deborah@user-33qt29t.dialup.mindspring.com] has left #summerlands*br*<Searles> Is that what was happening?*br*<HawkOfShad> Night Deb, good talking with you!*br*<morrigant> no, just some good fun!*br*<Searles> I enjoyed our discussion once it got to talking about hat we do, though there's much more to it than what either of us outlined this evening.*br*<morrigant> of course*br*<Searles> I'd be interested in hearing the history of your own people sometime.*br*<morrigant> sure, I'd like that as well*br*<Searles> What shaped them...how they connected to the spirits who their deities are.*br*<HawkOfShad> If neither of you is in a hurry...*br*<Searles> For now I think I'll go and see what can be done about three people who are dead before their time.*br*<morrigant> I'd love to share with someone so able to understand*br*<Searles> I trust we'll be chatting and discussing again sometime.*br*<HawkOfShad> morrigant, can you tell Searles...*br*<morrigant> What now Dennis?*br*<HawkOfShad> about your history?*br*<morrigant> the good or the bad? :)*br*<HawkOfShad> C... All of the Above (g)*br*<morrigant> yes, it's late and thank you again for the evening*br*<Searles> Yes nine blessings at you*br*<HawkOfShad> Good seeing you again OD*br*<Searles> Good to see you again as well my friend.*br*<HawkOfShad> Brightest blessings*br*<HawkOfShad> and good night bro*br*<morrigant> SH What are you doing tomorrow?*br*<morrigant> Goodnight Searles!*br*<HawkOfShad> what time priestess?*br**** Log file closed: 7/21/99 10:34:13 PM*br* Re: Druidic Ritual Searles 504 Mon Aug 2 23:25:55 1999