Re: The Five Marks of a Druid Shadow Hawk Sun Apr 2 10:03:28 2000 Hello again bro,*p*>>: : That be true of the Druids that lived in Ireland, but what *br*: : about the Druids that resided in England and on the *br*: : mainland?<<*br*:*br*>: The Druids of other places called the many skilled god of *br*: excellences and crafts by other names. Perhaps the British *br*: Druids called him Math or Gwydion? Maybe that called him by *br*: the name that means "The Good God" in their own *br*: tribal language?<*p* That's a possibility. To be honest, my own knowledge of Druidism is very sparse, pretty much what I've picked up reading your posts (g) How about today? Is The Dagda recognized as the "God of the Druids" by the modern Druid organizations?*p*>>: : Yet your question was not "in many ways" but *br*: : rather was there a "God of the Druids". Either *br*: : one is, or one isn't and is therefore regionalized. *br*: :*br*:*br*: It's not regionalized. I stated he was the God of Druids *br*: "in many ways" to show redundancy, not to show *br*: that he only fulfilled this role marginally.<<*p* So would this mean that the Druids in England or France would also have worshipped The Dagda even tho they might have called him by other names?*br*>>He is an Earth deity and a Sky *br*: : : Deity and in many respects Samilda/nach (many skilled) just *br*: : : as Lugh is. Perhaps Lugh is the Young God of Druids?<<*br*: :*br*: : Just out of curiosity, do you view the Gods as seperate *br*: : incarnate beings or more archtypal? It would make a *br*: : difference in how you define the Dagda and deity and our *br*: : relationship to them, so I'll hold off on responding to this *br*: : part until we clarify the terms between us.<<*p*>>: I view the deities in the same way that I view human beings, *br*: animals and plants. I view them as individual creations who *br*: have a separated existence but the potential to merge into *br*: an aggregate being through choice and disposition (or *br*: beings). In a sense, we form such aggregate beings when we *br*: perform rituals in Sacred Space. Gods are individuals and *br*: members of families just like people are (or even trees). *br*: They can be unique or corporate. Are the streams *br*: completely separate from the rivers? Do the rivers flow away *br*: from the sea? Does the water remain in the sea or land *br*: after it has fallen from the sky? Is rain separated from *br*: water to the point where it is no longer water? Deity and *br*: spirit are this way entirely. They do not lose their nature *br*: due to the shape of the container that carries them. They *br*: do become temporarily changed when mixed and flavored by *br*: other things when they are apart from all other spirit *br*: however.:-) <<*p* Not too different from my own views (s). The way I was interpreting your question on "Was there a God of the Druids" was in the form of the "Ocean" that has no name as opposed to a whirlpool or an eddie in the water that we have named...*p*Blessings,*br* SH*br* Re: The Five Marks of a Druid Searles 590 Sat Apr 1 10:15:17 2000