Druids:Their Holy Days chat log, pt. 1
Taliesin_2

Mon May 11 11:42:10 1998
Document Name: IRC Chat #The_Druids'_Grove Log Date Logged: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 Participants: branfionn, Conner_Uh_Neill, DonCoyote, IceWa1ker, Kargach, Proins`eaf, AutumnRain, ivydruid, Schlongbert, Taliesin_2 *p*Subject/Topic: Druids: Their Holy Days *p**p**p**p**** Log file opened: 5/5/98 7:36:58 PM Taliesin_2 [~shane@shane.cais.com] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove ChanServ sets mode: +o Taliesin_2 *br*<Taliesin_2> Greetings. *br*<Taliesin_2> I wasn't expecting so early arrivals *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Hi *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Hey Frin *br*<Proins`eaf> hi ya Conner *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Just hangin out. Prob wont stay for the chat. *br*<Taliesin_2> Would you like the log Emailed to you? *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Thats ok. I have to focus on the final stuff for school, then get started on my own journey. Proins`eaf [raven@1Cust198.tnt1.redmond.wa.da.uu.net] has quit IRC (Quit: where there is no truth,there is NO honor) *br*<Taliesin_2> NP. pooh85 [Branfionn@1Cust227.tnt15.chi5.da.uu.net] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove pooh85 is now known as branfionn *br*<Taliesin_2> Hello Branfionn *br*<branfionn> sorry - let a kid in the neighborhood use my mirc to learn lol - greetings all! *br*<Taliesin_2> np *br*<Taliesin_2> Barnfionn, have you registered your nick? Just curious... *br*<Taliesin_2> Sorry branfionn *br*<branfionn> no how do i do it? been told but forgot... *br*<branfionn> not here enough to learn *br*<g> *br*<branfionn> barnfionn is interesting - looking at Uh Neill - am now thinking of MuckGregor lol *br*<branfionn> no offense intended *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> :-) *br*<branfionn> just very different...i like that as a gemini lass *br*<branfionn> should be NuckGregor i suppose *br*<Taliesin_2> goto: http://www.dal.net/ click on the shield that says How Do I? then scroll down & to nickserve *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Ni Gregor *br*<Taliesin_2> ckick on nickserv & it provides you with instructions *br*<Taliesin_2> click, sorry *br*<branfionn> ok - we have a pal on the way in - he just icqed me = brb *br*<Taliesin_2> np *br*<Taliesin_2> brb Conner. refreshments for me. branfionn [Branfionn@1Cust227.tnt15.chi5.da.uu.net] has quit IRC (quantum-r.ny.us.dal.net liberty.nj.us.dal.net) Conner_Uh_Neill [JMachate@207-172-130-32.s32.as9.col.erols.com] has quit IRC (quantum-r.ny.us.dal.net liberty.nj.us.dal.net) Conner_Uh_Neill [JMachate@207-172-130-32.s32.as9.col.erols.com] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove *br*<Taliesin_2> wb branfionn [Branfionn@1Cust227.tnt15.chi5.da.uu.net] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Never left. *br*<Taliesin_2> ah. Kargach [~robh@nic-c12-193.mw.mediaone.net] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove *br*<Taliesin_2> bandia dhuit Kargach *br*<branfionn> Greetings - I am back but think my pal got lost - will go into ICQ rescue mode (great little free program from mirabilis.com - can chat there too....) Kargach [~robh@nic-c12-193.mw.mediaone.net] has quit IRC (quantum-r.ny.us.dal.net stlouis.mo.us.dal.net) Kargach [~robh@nic-c12-193.mw.mediaone.net] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove *br*<Taliesin_2> wb Kargach *br*<Kargach> Hi all! *br*<branfionn> Hi wewondered what happened - welcome back! *br*<Taliesin_2> Ok, shall we begin?. Perhaps more will show. *br*<branfionn> my pal is away from keyboard for a bit - tried to come in once and could only see Taleisin (as you were leaving - typical...) *br*<branfionn> he'll try again later *br*<Taliesin_2> np *br*<branfionn> so how was everyone's Beltaine!?! happy belated - wooohoo The Greenwoods! *br*<branfionn> Tonight is astrological Beltaine... *br*<Taliesin_2> Yes. i have heard of the bebate of the dated & astrological dates of the holy days. *br*<Kargach> Our Grove is doing Beltaine next Saturday, you'll have to ask me again later. >8) *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Kargach: Cedar Lights? *br*<Kargach> Shining Lakes. *br*<branfionn> Usta be Well Earth Grove *br*<g> (Senior Druid) *br*<Taliesin_2> So, shall we bine with the holiday of the Pagan New Year: Samhuinn/Samhain? Taliesin_2 sets mode: +o branfionn *br*<Kargach> Sure, lets! *br*<Taliesin_2> OK. First off lets make one thing clear: There is no Celtic God of the Dead called Samhain. *br*<Taliesin_2> Never was, never will be. It a misconception.. *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> WHAT!! *br*<Kargach> There has to be! Someone on one of my lists said he worshipped Samhain! >8) *br*<Taliesin_2> I was on a list year & 1/2 ago. I posted the question of said God's existence. *br*<Taliesin_2> I was told S/He never existed..... *br*<Kargach> Samhain is the Irish Gaelic word for November, though, even to this day. *br*<Taliesin_2> However, the holy day may be special to various other deities, i.e. the Morrigan *br*<Taliesin_2> Acknowledged & noted *br*<Taliesin_2> The Morrigu (a tripple goddess) may hold precedence over it as well *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> LOL you are correct Tal *br*<Taliesin_2> Down thru time the holiday has had several names. *br*<Taliesin_2> Samhain being the most popular at present it seems... *br*<branfionn> No but there was a demon named Aillil *br*<sp?> very close to my own mundane name...no I heard that tripe too - but wasn't Lugh's uncle's name close to that? *br*<Taliesin_2> I am unsure. What was Lugh's uncle's name? *br*<Taliesin_2> But it is a time of Life as well as Death. *br*<Taliesin_2> For the Celts believe that Death is but another form of life. *br*<branfionn> Yes. And Beltaine is sometimes called CetSamhain - "little Samhain", i believe - two divisions - Summer and Winter (had a *deep* dream of that once...) *br*<Kargach> They are on opposite spokes of the wheel. *br*<Taliesin_2> In the Arthurian mysteries(for lack of a better word) has Morgan/na Le Fey as the British Death Goddess to the British Druids. Or more precisely, she represented Death to them. *br*<branfionn> Yes - it is the time (for me) of initiations and contact between the Worlds is easiest - not that you can't do it any time - did it this morning - i find that fog oft brings the Ancient Ones... *br*<Taliesin_2> Interesting, branfionn... *br*<branfionn> Hon - the Morrigu is my MOM! *br*<g> yes it is her day - tho i was trained the full moon before Nov 1 was the day... *br*<branfionn> anyone else work by moons in a celtic way? *br*<Taliesin_2> Depends. *br*<branfionn> There are many love stories tied to it as well - Morrigu and Daghda's mating straddled 'cross a river, but one... *br*<Taliesin_2> Are we talking Celtic in general? *br*<branfionn> Yes - the other mundane ones being Halloween - All Hallow's Day - Christians took all our holidays (my book) the day following became All Saint's Day... *br*<Taliesin_2> Actually Branfionn I think you are thinking of the Morrigan *br*<branfionn> and our sites - feh... (not that i don't have christian friends because i do...) *br*<Taliesin_2> A alternate spelling is Morrighan *br*<branfionn> Well you see - in Spirit - things are not so simple as here in the mud*br*<matter> - they blend and cross... *br*<Taliesin_2> Yes. A Pope created all saints day as a hope to "counter Satan's holiday" as it were.... *br*<branfionn> There are only changes - what was created cannot be destroyed - only changed...water is a good example - steam (air) or ice (stone) or water (well) - i try to triform everything just to see if it will work - o i am *always* thinking of Mother *br*<g>... *br*<branfionn> or Morrigain *br*<branfionn> Satan is a dyslexic's Santa *br*<joke> *br*<Taliesin_2> Thanks for the 3rd version. I never saw it befor... *br*<branfionn> no real Celt believes in Satan - Cernunnos maybe but he is benign... *br*<branfionn> There's also Morrigna Kargach cackles *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> I belive in Satan. *br*<Taliesin_2> Yes the Xtians/Christians made all horned gods into Satan *br*<branfionn> in what way? *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> I am a polythiest. All gods are real. *br*<Taliesin_2> Didn't matter what culture. If there was a horned deity of any sort it or they represented Satan *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Sorry, just countering her comment. *br*<branfionn> ahh i see - but i see satan as a corrupt Lucifer - The brightest angel/favorite son/toss out... mostly i believe he is a thought form of christians and i *still* don't see him as a god *br*<Taliesin_2> Does it cause clashes in your faith Connor? *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Nope *br*<branfionn> i find this very intersting *br*<Taliesin_2> As do I. *br*<branfionn> i always thought he was just a scapegoat *br*<branfionn> like the word "problem" *br*<Kargach> I've always thought of Satan as the trickster figure of Christianity. *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> He may not have started out as a god...but he is one now. The Christians have a lot of faith in him. *br*<Taliesin_2> a black sheep innocent on a the single circumstane that he got kicked out of Heaven for? *br*<branfionn> well i see this as one thing that makes my religion different - but i am strictly pagan celt... *br*<Taliesin_2> Or fear... *br*<branfionn> i fear nothing -not even death *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> I am a Pagan Celt as well. But being a polythiest I know all gods are real. I just ignore VERYONE except my own. *br*<Taliesin_2> No I mean the Xtians fear him.... *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> They are not relevent. *br*<Taliesin_2> Is that wise? To ignore Gods? *br*<branfionn> very intersting - i can accept that the concept has become a christian god - i like cernunnos and herne and hu gadarn much better - as guardians and earthkeepers... *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> I it wise? I dunno. Does not effect me. They may as well not exist. *br*<Taliesin_2> Kargach? Any thoughts? *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> If they have a problem, then can take it up with Mannanan, Danu and Bile *br*<Kargach> Being my usual quiet self. >8) *br*<Taliesin_2> Feel free to speak up at any time.... *br*<Kargach> I think that all gods worshipped by anyone are real. I sure won't try to worship all of them! *br*<branfionn> Well at Samhain, the remembrance of the Beloved Dead (as I cell 'em) is one of the biggest focus...and im not sure that The Otherworld could ever translate to a good or bad place you go to when you die...any thoughts? *br*<branfionn> Yeah the chaos gods might take your out lol lol lol *br*<Taliesin_2> Ok how about this: You don't have to worship them all, but at least acknowledge them? *br*<branfionn> had a BIG discussion of that on a dragon list....Tiamat? I think not... *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Why botther? They dont effect me and are not part of my "family". *br*<Kargach> I acknowledge that they exist. *br*<branfionn> Extra Gods *br*<giggle> *br*<branfionn> heck - even we exist - are we gods? *br*<Kargach> I'll listen to any deity who tries to contact me, though in general only a few do. *br*<branfionn> *br*<g> *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> My family consists of my family (living and dead) my gods (of Ireland) and the spirits. *br*<Kargach> branfionn - Some of us are. >8) *br*<branfionn> cool! glad to know ya!!!! *br*<Taliesin_2> Ok. are we resady to move on or no? *br*<branfionn> i used to do ritual to "all the gods - named and unamed" - always liked that! *br*<Kargach> Sure. *br*<Taliesin_2> Conner? *br*<branfionn> I was "HPS" at the 2nd Cleveland Public Samhain Ritual downtown 8 years ago - now I'm ready... *br*<Taliesin_2> branfionn? *br*<branfionn> yes *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Go on...I just interject as we go. *br*<Taliesin_2> Winter Solstice - Saturnalia *br*<Taliesin_2> Yule *br*<Taliesin_2> Designated on Dec 21st. *br*<Kargach> Pity they couldn't spell it Satyrnalia... >8) *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> German/Saxon. I dont celebrate it. *br*<Taliesin_2> It was period of non-time in the Celtic calendar. *br*<Taliesin_2> A time when judgements were made *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Source? *br*<Taliesin_2> It was taken by Christmas on Dec. 25 *br*<Taliesin_2> Various. Obod, etc.... *br*<branfionn> I only see solstices and equinoxes as "sun markers" time pieces - and believe stones were aligned to pace with the year's movement - but spiritually - I only value the "cross-quarter days" *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> I am with Branfionn. *br*<Taliesin_2> According to Archaeology studies Jesus was born in the Summer *br*<branfionn> There are too many megalithic monuments to ignore it completely - may have been involved with initation or ritual times... *br*<branfionn> personal ones - not the big ones *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> No evidence exists, (that I have seen) that suports that the Insalur Celts held any regard for the soltice and equinox...with on exception on the Isle of Man and I wil talk about thet when we get there. *br*<branfionn> They have (Isle of Man) some of the oldest terms untampered with... *br*<Taliesin_2> But his birthday was move from June or July to December to eradicate the Winter Solstice.. *br*<branfionn> As "CR" folk we are really trying to unwind our golden threads from those layered on them.... *br*<Kargach> Well, not "eradicate" so much as "co-opt". *br*<Taliesin_2> But, they weren't completely sucessful *br*<Taliesin_2> Ok. Amended. *br*<branfionn> Shoot - I heard he was late february - Pisces - sign of the fish - think about it - PLUS Appolonius in Greece was doing the same things at the same time... *br*<branfionn> miracles - the lot *br*<branfionn> one day i am going to do research on him and "recover him" *br*<Taliesin_2> Yet again, interesting, branfionn *br*<branfionn> call it "the forgotten jesus" or something *br*<g> *br*<Taliesin_2> Yeah, but it will never be published by a Xtian publisher *br*<branfionn> o i am a bundle of arcane trivia - got an aramaic (language JC spoke) to english bible out at KSU and what an amazing difference there was! *br*<branfionn> Don't care - will self publish *br*<Taliesin_2> It'll go against everything they've fought for *br*<branfionn> and? *br*<branfionn> gee maybe they'll have to find a backup satan *br*<g> *br*<Taliesin_2> They are the greatest conartists ofthe known world... *br*<Kargach> Go for it! *br*<branfionn> sorry we are far from CR - i will shush.... *br*<Taliesin_2> np *br*<Taliesin_2> However, I am unsure which God(s) hold Yule sacred. *br*<Taliesin_2> Anybody... *br*<branfionn> The Wiccan ones - the Holly and Oak Kings *br*<Taliesin_2> Please clearify. *br*<Kargach> We honor Bel, for the return of the sun. *br*<branfionn> Some have said Maybon - the Young Son *br*<branfionn> Mabon - sorry Beltaine-on-the-brain *br*<Taliesin_2> np *br*<branfionn> Mabon (Young Son) son of Modron (The Mother) - see the similarity? *br*<Taliesin_2> yes. *br*<Taliesin_2> brb *br*<branfionn> *br*<---has a plastic Mary i am considering painting blue by the front door...*br*<g> Kargach is watching the Secrets of Magic Revealed, ooh! *br*<branfionn> Yule is a Germanic holiday - yule log = Xmas tree, Santa = Oak/Holly Kings, faeries + elves, mistletoe ok, caroling = wassailing, etc. etc. *br*<branfionn> faery = angel on top of tree *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> AFK *br*<branfionn> i did a whole article in my defunct "Crossroads" celtic zine... *br*<branfionn> gee just you and me Kargach - don't be shy - or tell me what stories you like - i aspire to storyteller *br*<g> *br*<Kargach> Would you believe I talked to someone online who actually thought that Martin Luther had started the practice of decorating trees at Christmas??? *br*<Kargach> I've been shy since I was three, why stop now? >8) *br*<branfionn> ROFL - no! do tell!!! Stop now because you can have some fun (only a suggestion) - in cyberspace no one knows your real address... *br*<> *br*<branfionn> *br*<g> *br*<Kargach> Fortunately, he actually believed me when I told him it was a little older than that. Luther explained to the Germans why their already-existing practice of tree decoration was actually Christian. *br*<branfionn> I am at PO box 602696, Cleveland, OH 44102 as branfionn macgregor - or email me and i'll send you hard copy or email of the christmas/yule relations - i only id it once but it was fun...branfionn@earthlink.net *br*<branfionn> Did Luther now! *br*<Kargach> You can e-mail it - robh@cyberspace.org *br*<branfionn> hehe *br*<Taliesin_2> back... *br*<Kargach> Something about the top of the tree being heaven, and the wider bottom part being earth, and God's whatever radiating down and expanding... *br*<Taliesin_2> are we ready to move on? *br*<branfionn> yes *br*<Kargach> Sure! *br*<branfionn> Every religion has a TREE *br*<branfionn> of Life ususally *br*<Taliesin_2> Imbolc *br*<branfionn> Yess!!! Brighid (Scottiish), Bride (Breej) or Brigit became St. Brigit - most beloved of Goddesses or Saints *br*<Kargach> Imbolc! *br*<Taliesin_2> If I'm not mistaken this day is sacred to Brigid/Brigit\, etc. *br*<Kargach> Yep, it's her big day. *br*<branfionn> And how! *br*<Kargach> We also honor the groundhog. >8) *br*<branfionn> See http://www.technovate.org/earthclan.imweb.html for my BIG Brighid "Bright Goddess of the Gael" article... *br*<branfionn> The groundhog be blessed (TOLD you they took them all...) *br*<Kargach> I'm on my way there! *br*<Taliesin_2> Yes, but lets not forget that St. Brigit was recently de-canonized because they found out she never truly existed. *br*<branfionn> saw one in my back yard last year *br*<Taliesin_2> St Brigit that is.... *br*<branfionn> really - that's not what my friends believe - i think this is a papal plot to discredit her because she is too powerful.... *br*<Kargach> I heard about that. I guess the Catholics don't need to borrow our deities any more, they must be all used up. >8) *br*<Taliesin_2> Possible. *br*<branfionn> St. Brigit was historically a daughter of the Druid Dubhtach - there is literature!!! *br*<Kargach> The Pope is none too thrilled about the rise of goddess worship cloaked in Catholicism that's been popping up... *br*<Taliesin_2> But please remember we're to talk about holy days. not conspiracies *br*<branfionn> (my main page is http://www.technovate.org/earthclan/branweb.html - all holy days (except beltaine) are up from there...) *br*<branfionn> no dear, we are talking about both ;-P *br*<hug> *br*<Kargach> Darn, I wanted to read about Beltaine... *br*<Taliesin_2> go on, Kargach... *br*<branfionn> well I'll email you when I get it up - have two issues on diskette i can use.... *br*<branfionn> I like to study Bel and Blodeuwedd *br*<branfionn> Flower Face *br*<Kargach> Go on about which? *br*<Taliesin_2> about beltaine *br*<branfionn> I think he meant Beltaine - my one webholypage uncompleted (typical) - a crash... *br*<Kargach> No, I mean I wanted to read branfionn's Beltaine page, but it's not ready. *br*<Taliesin_2> oh. *br*<branfionn> ok I'll get it up and it will be belweb - same as the other pages - everything is a web *br*<g> Conner_Uh_Neill just realized Branfionn is no Nemeton. *br*<branfionn> this weekend i promise *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> on = on *br*<Taliesin_2> So Does anybody have anything else to add? *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> er...no = on *br*<branfionn> nanu nanu *br*<Kargach> Not right now. *br*<branfionn> to imbolc? Conner_Uh_Neill is waiting for Midsummer *br*<branfionn> It is the Celtic first day of spring - also called Oimelc - Ewe's milk - milk in winter meant survival *br*<branfionn> (was on nemeton til too much squabbling and other lists got bigger...run earthclan my own - multireligious earthloving list) *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Ah. *br*<Taliesin_2> According to OBOD's teachings the next is Alban Eiler - March 21st *br*<Kargach> What does Alban Eiler mean? *br*<Taliesin_2> I'm unclear to the true name *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> March 21st. *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> :-) Just kidding. IceWa1ker [danu@ppp-194.nunanet.com] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove *br*<branfionn> they are all Albans *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Hey there Icewalker *br*<Taliesin_2> bandia dhuit Icewa1ker *br*<branfionn> the equinoxes and solstices - maybe it means day *br*<g> *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Or Mid *br*<Taliesin_2> possible... *br*<branfionn> Well met and gee looks like i have to go tho i have really enjoyed this!!! *br*<IceWa1ker> Beannachti Tal_2 (all) *br*<Kargach> Byeeee! *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Oh no. Why do you have to leave? *br*<Taliesin_2> Branfionn, want a copy of the whole log? *br*<IceWa1ker> Yes please *br*<branfionn> Yes may we meet again and I'll tell you when beltaine (belweb) is up - see i live with a disabled roomate whom i have spent zero time with and it is 9:11 p.m. - time for quality time - yes Taleisin I would! thank you and Nine Blessings All - Blessed Astrological Beltaine tonight! branfionn [Branfionn@1Cust227.tnt15.chi5.da.uu.net] has left #The_Druids'_Grove Faol-Taliesin [noone@p93.tc18.metro.MA.tiac.com] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove Queen_of_Darkness [~QueenODar@172-162-168.ipt.aol.com] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove *br*<Taliesin_2> And you want it as well Ice? DonCoyote [astrolog@dial-10.r8.ncbldw.InfoAve.Net] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove *br*<Faol-Taliesin> So what's happenin' people? *br*<Faol-Taliesin> I want it too. What are we talking about. :) *br*<Taliesin_2> Bandia dhuit to all new comers. *br*<Kargach> Wow! We're being flooded! *br*<IceWa1ker> Please ... work prevented me from getting here earlier :-{ *br*<Taliesin_2> Not much. *br*<Taliesin_2> np, Ice *br*<IceWa1ker> Hi Faol | Don | Queen ......... Beannachti agat ! *br*<Faol-Taliesin> So where has the discussion gravitated? *br*<IceWa1ker> Ritual = AND I MISSED IT !! *br*<Queen_of_Darkness> Hello *br*<Kargach> We were just dicussing the Spring Equinox. Taliesin_2: *LOG* Would the newcomers please let me know if they want a copy of the entire chat log? *br*<Faol-Taliesin> But do you miss it ritually? *br*<IceWa1ker> No ... that happens a bit later tonight Faol-Taliesin goes and sits in corner *br*<Kargach> Excuse me if I seem distracted, but I'm trying to find the results of our local election... *br*<IceWa1ker> hehe ... the ritual that is Faol ...happens a bit later tonight for me *br*<Queen_of_Darkness> goodbye Queen_of_Darkness [~QueenODar@172-162-168.ipt.aol.com] has left #The_Druids'_Grove () *br*<Taliesin_2> Ok. We are at present chatting about Spring Equinox *br*<IceWa1ker> ... gotta wait for sunset and that is coming later & later here *br*<Faol-Taliesin> Bye Queen! *br*<Taliesin_2> Does any of the newcomers have anything to say or add? *br*<Kargach> Where are you, IceWa1ker? Sunset is long gone here in Michigan! *br*<Faol-Taliesin> I'll lurk for a bit till I see where we are. *br*<DonCoyote> Glad to be here *br*<Taliesin_2> Glad to have you *br*<DonCoyote> Thanks Conner_Uh_Neill [JMachate@207-172-130-32.s32.as9.col.erols.com] has quit IRC (empire.ny.us.dal.net liberty.nj.us.dal.net) *br*<Faol-Taliesin> He's in the Land o' the Ice Rob! *br*<IceWa1ker> Will happen here (Canada's Arctic) in about 45 minutes tonight .. still plenty bright here now *br*<Taliesin_2> Anythoughts on the Spring Equinox, DonCoyote? *br*<Taliesin_2> Ice? Anything to add? *br*<DonCoyote> It was nice...but rainy here *br*<Taliesin_2> Yeah. it was rainy here as well Conner_Uh_Neill [JMachate@207-172-130-32.s32.as9.col.erols.com] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Chased you. *br*<Taliesin_2> hm? *br*<Faol-Taliesin> Are were strictly speaking Druidic/Celtic Rituals for the days? *br*<Taliesin_2> I'm open to all *br*<IceWa1ker> Lurking ... spring here is at a vastly different time than most other places *br*<Taliesin_2> Druidic, Celtic, Wiccan.... *br*<Faol-Taliesin> Norse? :) *br*<Taliesin_2> sure. *br*<Taliesin_2> shoot. *br*<Faol-Taliesin> Just wondering. Conner_Uh_Neill draws his gun. *br*<IceWa1ker> Even now at Beltaine the earth is covered in snow .. still sleeping. She will start to awaken in a few weeks (we are just starting to melt out now) and will not be fully awake until mid-June Conner_Uh_Neill looks at his newly drawn gun and thinks "I should have made it grey" *br*<Faol-Taliesin> I didn't do it Conner and she said she didn't have a boyfriend! *br*<Taliesin_2> So nobody has any comments on the Spring Equinox? *br*<Faol-Taliesin> I've got some notes from Ian Corrigan on "The Order of the Ritual" if anyones interested. *br*<Taliesin_2> On how to conduct one? *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Beltaine is next then huh. *br*<Taliesin_2> Yeah. *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Come on, am I even here? *br*<Faol-Taliesin> It's generic not specifically on S Eqx *br*<Kargach> We honor our local earth mother at Spring Equinox. IceWa1ker sometimes has a bit of difficulity with certain with spring & summer events because of the climate here Proins`eaf [raven@1Cust98.tnt7.redmond.wa.da.uu.net] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove *br*<Proins`eaf> hi hi *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> WB Frin *br*<Faol-Taliesin> I think you are Conner! Why ya ask? *br*<Proins`eaf> did Branfionnon make it in? *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Just winderin *br*<IceWa1ker> in what way Karach? *br*<Taliesin_2> Yes. And she left about 5 min ago Kargach is not real, he uh he uh he, he is not really happening *br*<Taliesin_2> Ah. *br*<Faol-Taliesin> We know that Rob but we still like you. *br*<Kargach> I'm just not a happening guy. *br*<Taliesin_2> You'll get over it.. *br*<Taliesin_2> :) *br*<Taliesin_2> Beltane - Beltaine - Bealtaine *br*<Kargach> Speaking of not being a happening guy, let's talk about Beltaine! >8) Proins`eaf only does the 4 fire festivles *br*<Taliesin_2> MayDay! *br*<Taliesin_2> Cool. *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Beltaine: Kill the cow and have sex. *br*<Taliesin_2> But we are covering everything for those not to familiar *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Er. Ritually sluaghter abd eat a foodanimal and have fertility rites. *br*<Taliesin_2> Yeah. Ok, Conner. :) Frinshay^ [harp@1Cust98.tnt7.redmond.wa.da.uu.net] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove *br*<Frinshay^> ok *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Frin he thinks I am kidding. *br*<Frinshay^> kidding bout what? *br*<IceWa1ker> Beltaine: Bonfires !! *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Beltaine: Kill the cow and have sex. *br*<Kargach> Sadly, it would be easier for me to kill the cow than to have the sex... >8) *br*<Frinshay^> ahhhhh *br*<Frinshay^> nope hes not kidding *br*<Taliesin_2> Killing a cow & sex. *br*<Taliesin_2> joy. *br*<Frinshay^> sounds about right to me *br*<IceWa1ker> except that there is too much snow for that here just now *br*<grin> *br*<Frinshay^> but you forgot kill the cow, eat it and havE sex *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Ritually sluaghter and eat a foodanimal and have fertility rites. Is the PC way of saying it. *br*<Faol-Taliesin> Anyway how do you honor the local earth mother and when you say local are you speaking Amerind? *br*<Frinshay^> did Branfionn make it in tonight? *br*<Faol-Taliesin> Anybody still here? Proins`eaf [raven@1Cust98.tnt7.redmond.wa.da.uu.net] has quit IRC (empire.ny.us.dal.net orion.fl.us.dal.net) *br*<Frinshay^> I am *br*<Frinshay^> still there *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Frin, she left abouf 5-10 minutes ago Frinshay^ is now known as Proins`eaf *br*<Taliesin_2> So, Since we know how most celebrate it, how does the Norse celebrate it? *br*<DonCoyote> yes *br*<Proins`eaf> oh rats i just missed her IceWa1ker substitutes the bonfires with the buring of incense in 2 small burners (that climate things again) *br*<Kargach> Local being SLG's local river goddess. I thought I'd told yu about her earlier. *br*<Faol-Taliesin> Ok Connor *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Local means whichever goddess inhabots the space. When I have rituals I always honour the local spirits. *br*<Proins`eaf> I cast offerings to the land sprirts on my land *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> I pour em... *br*<Faol-Taliesin> That sounds like the normal daily ritual Conner *br*<Proins`eaf> well I pour ale, cream and oats but cast sliver *br*<Faol-Taliesin> I'm going to reload *br*<Taliesin_2> ok *br*<Proins`eaf> pour into the votive pit, cast into the river *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> I dont do daily rituals that are that complex. If I do anything it is a simple prayer Faol-Taliesin [noone@p93.tc18.metro.MA.tiac.com] has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Frin, they like oatmeal? *br*<Taliesin_2> Any thoughts on Betaine? *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> What kind of thoughts? *br*<Taliesin_2> any. *br*<Proins`eaf> hush you conner! *br*<Kargach> We've been doing a fair amount of research on Beltaine practices for our ritual this coming weekend. *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> It is a day to give thanks for surviving the Winter and offer up a beast. It is the day to offer fertility rights to ensure the harvest. *br*<DonCoyote> It rained for Beltaine also *br*<Kargach> We're going to try decorating a May bush this year and see how it goes. *br*<Proins`eaf> just lit the fires and had a feast *br*<Proins`eaf> not big rite *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Today is Beltaine and it is raining. *br*<Proins`eaf> may bush? Faol-Taliesin [noone@p93.tc18.metro.MA.tiac.com] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove *br*<Taliesin_2> wb Faol.. *br*<Faol-Taliesin> Ok I"m back *br*<IceWa1ker> has anyone tried/completed a well dressing? *br*<Taliesin_2> which is what? *br*<Faol-Taliesin> Is this better? *br*<Kargach> A may (hawthorn) branch decorated with candles and such. *br*<Proins`eaf> what is a well dressing? *br*<IceWa1ker> hummm.... *br*<Proins`eaf> from what tradition is that Kargach? *br*<Taliesin_2> 13 seconds Faol *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Frin, it is done in Ireland. At least the well dressing. *br*<Taliesin_2> I've heard of it. *br*<Kargach> Actual Irish practices of the last millenium or so. Maybe older. *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> To this day people still put little offering at wells. *br*<IceWa1ker> decorating your local well by covering it with mud then pressing leaves, cones, etc into the mud to decorate it *br*<Proins`eaf> oh ok *br*<Taliesin_2> Not sure what it is... *br*<Proins`eaf> oh well ive heard of making offerins to well and such in Ireland *br*<Taliesin_2> cool IceWa1ker will leave an offering at the town reservoir (closest thing we have to a well) ... intent is everything *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> A flowing river would be better...IMHO *br*<Proins`eaf> i just cast offerings to the sprin that feeds our well and creek *br*<Taliesin_2> why, Conner? *br*<IceWa1ker> it's said that it was thought that the well was a sacred place, providing life to the people though its' water plus it represented an opening into the Mother Earth *br*<Kargach> I'm lucky enough to live within 500 feet of our river, making offerings is pretty easy. I often joke with my Grove members that I'm going to roll down the window and make a drive-by offering on the way to work. >8) *br*<Proins`eaf> LOL Ker! *** Log file closed: 5/5/98 9:42:13 PM *p**** Log file opened: 5/5/98 9:47:47 PM Taliesin_2 [~shane@shane.cais.com] has joined #The_Druids'_Grove ChanServ sets mode: +o Taliesin_2 *br*<Conner_Uh_Neill> Those who honor Mannanan (and know about the ritual) offer thier yearly offeringas to Mannanan at Midsummer. *br*<Kargach> She'd better! >8) Seriously, she asked us to join him to her in one of our workings. *br*<Taliesin_2> Hello *br*<Taliesin_2> Sorry. *br*<Taliesin_2> Got booted *br*<Faol-Taliesin> Ok but what if you moved? *br*<Proins`eaf> prehaps ill offer somthing to Man